we believed they united states of america that risk-taker should bear the responsibility for their own losses. and, so big interventions are not something-- i didn't go to washington to do that and he certainly didn't but from day one, he understood the financial markets were about our economy and jobs, so repeatedly i would be coming to him and i wouldn't have to sell him halfway through the conversation. he would lock me up and say listen hank, we will get her this. these are going to be, this is going to be politically unpopular but we are not going to let our economy go down. we will do what it takes to save jobs, save the economy and that was his point of view. and you talk about my mother. he would be telling me i need to work out, need to get more sleep. >> and terms of the other people on the political stage, seem to me that going up to the election , you probably felt that barack obama was both more knowledgeable and had more interest in what was going on in the financial crisis than john mccain. is that a fair assessment? >> let's say, it is no doubt fair that i had the conve